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I Cashed in My Kids' Savings Bonds. Am I a Bad Parent?

July 3rd, 2007 at 05:08 am

I've always known that savings bonds have relatively lackluster yields, actually losing money to inflation at some intervals, and vastly underperforming stocks in all extended intervals. Following births, Christenings and Birthdays, my kids started to amass savings bonds from relatives to the point that these low yielding instruments comprised a substantial amount of their savings (college funds). Initially, I wasn't keen on watching these grow at such a low interest rate, but on the other hand, these were gifts from relatives and I thought it was appropriate to leave them alone. I hadn't even investigated what cashing them in entailed.

Recently, one of the grandmothers was watching a personal finance show on television where they railed against the abysmal rates of return on savings bonds and how to better invest in a conservative manner. She called my wife to tell her she'd like to see us liquidate the bonds and get them into a higher yielding instrument. Of course, I obliged, since ~17 years is a long time to outlast lulls in the market. The difference between say, 2.5-5% and 9-10% is enormous over such long periods of time. Therefore, I marched down to my local Commerce Bank with some of my kids' savings bonds in hand to cash in. My current setup has some standing cash in a Commerce account for each kid which is set up to have automatic monthly withdrawals into a nice low-fee Vanguard S&P500 fund in a tax-advantaged account. As the balances approach the minimum investment, I simply add in new funds.

When I arrived at the Commerce and stated my intentions, I was initially met with a look of disapproval and concern at the teller's desk - she referred me to the special desk area on the side of the bank. I didn't feel that an explanation was necessary, but I was inclined to explain that at some points in time, these things are actually losing money to inflation, and that the U.S. stock market has never lost money over 20 year periods of time, etc. To that, I was met with barrier after barrier. First, I was told that I needed original birth certificates for each child. Since I only lived a few minutes away, I obliged and returned. Upon returning, I was informed that they couldn't perform the activity for any bond less than 6 months old. I was OK with that since I had some older ones that would suffice. To that, I was met with an error that "the system" was giving her that wouldn't allow some of these to be exchanged, even though the dates on the face were clearly a year old or more. An additional stipulation was that the total value of all exchanges could not exceed $1,000 for any particular person performing exchanges.

After much ado, I was able to exchange a fair amount of savings bonds gifted to my children (endorsed by some givers), deposit the funds, and then set up an additional transfer into the Educational Savings Accounts (ESA - More in another post on differences between ESA and 529 and why I landed with the ESA). As I was ready to depart, another associate at a different desk who had been looking on in horror told me she recommended I put these funds in a safe place, like a Commerce CD, handing me a pamphlet. I looked at the rates and said no thanks to their offer of 4.6%. Based on the reactions I endured, it was as if I had sent my 3 year old to work in the coal mine for extra cash or something. The question is, "Was this transaction really that outrageous?"

Based on an LA Times article, research by Schwab Center for Investment Research in San Francisco showed that:

"...while an older investor must factor in the risk that the market could be depressed for many years--it has happened before, after all, such as in the 1970s--a younger investor can be comforted by this fact: A diversified portfolio of U.S. stocks has never lost ground in any 20-year period..."

LA Times Article:
http://www.latimes.com/business/investing/la-invest101-story1a,1,1322592.story?page=1

24 Responses to “I Cashed in My Kids' Savings Bonds. Am I a Bad Parent?”

  1. LuckyRobin Says:
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    I think you made the right decision based on your research.

  2. baselle Says:
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    I don't think you made a bad decision, but as you've guessed, redeeming bonds from a bank is a hassle. At least if you redeemed them today you did it at the best possible time - the beginning of the month, right after the interest was applied.

    An easier, maybe more methodical, way is to get a Treasury Direct account online, then convert your paper bonds electronically, then redeem them. It does take awhile (4 weeks or so) but in the meantime you can research T-bills, TIPS, figure out how to move your redeemed bonds to Vanguard, etc. Remember that as you increase your returns you increase your risk.

    The other thing is that the bonds themselves were tax advantaged and if they are to be used for tuition they are not taxed.

  3. Carolina Bound Says:
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    This convinces me that I should not give bonds to my grandson! What vehicle do you recommend as a financial gift to a child? I'd like to do something.

  4. everydayfinance Says:
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    I used to debate with my wife over the same thing when giving gifts because she also wanted to give the most conservative gift. Now that I had the green light to do this with our own children's money, perhaps we will gift similarly...
    There are dividend reinvestment plans out there or sharebuilder accounts, each searchable through google. In the case of DRIPs, the fees are sometimes zero or $1 per trade. Sharebuilder is $4 I believe. The neat thing is that it encourages the parents (or child when they're old enough to understand) to want to continue to add money in increments as small as $50 and see the dividends reinvest in new shares. The only downside there is it's not diversified unless there are other holdings, so perhaps if gifting over a period of several years, do multiple DRIPs. Good conservative diverse holdings could be like GE, then XOM, then a banking stock, etc. Good luck, let us know what you decide!
    Dan

  5. monkeymama Says:
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    Wow! I notice a lot of preconceived notions in general how kids' money should be cared for - people really get emotional about it. I am shocked though that the bank would react accordingly. The sad thing is when you have a small child it seems silly to me to put that money in low-yielding safe investments. They have lots of time to ride the market. Plus most the time I roll my eyes about this kind of stuff. I never had any savings bonds or money in my name as a child, but my parents took good care of me. That is what is important. In your case you are just choosing a better investment, with the consent of the giver at that (or better yet at her suggestion!) Sounds ANYTHING but outrageous.

  6. Broken Arrow Says:
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    At least you didn't blow it ski equipment with your new boyfriend!

  7. scfr Says:
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    No, you're not a bad parent. The monies intended for the child are staying in a fund for the child, not being spent by you.

    For my nieces and nephews, I have always given my sister checks with a note "for the college fund." I left the choice of how to invest the money up to her. She is the momma, after all. She saved that money in a regular savings account, and then when the amount had grown a bit she set up an ESA or 529 and invested it in mutual funds of her choice.

  8. baselle Says:
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    I love my drips, but I drip directly, using the transfer agent - just make sure that with Sharebuilder, you are putting in enough so that the $4 per trade fee works out to a reasonable %. And check to see whether the reinvestment of the dividend counts as a trade. If it does, that's not a good deal.

  9. mom-from-missouri Says:
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    You did just what Dave Ramsey recommends!

  10. fern Says:
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    I think that's shoddy business practices to give a customer such a hard time when they want to cash something out/withdraw/transfer.

    Geez.

  11. YOUCANDOIT Says:
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    I, too, have been toying with the idea of cashing these low yielding savings bonds in. You just inspired me to go ahead and do it. I will wait until the next interest is added on.
    You definitely did the right thing!!!!

  12. LuckyRobin Says:
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    You know, I've been thinking about what a hard time that bank gave you and I think you should write a polite letter to the branch manager complaining about your experience and what you went through to get what you wanted. That just shouldn't have happened. If it is policy at the bank then the policy needs to be changed.

  13. Nic Says:
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    I too have toyed w/the idea of cashing in some of my bonds (those that I've held for 5+yrs) and placing it in the money mkt account. I would earn slightly more int. on it, and the $$ would still be available should I need it. I will have to pay the fed. taxes though but I'm sure in time, it'll all balance out.

  14. Joan.of.the.Arch Says:
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    Friends of mine have sons and a nephew who were given some US savings bonds. They've been trying for 3 years to get two of them cashed in. The sons and nephews were living in three different countries, and at first were told they would have to be in the USA to cash them. The son who was in the US at the time did get his cashed out. Some sort of appeals were made by mail and, since then, they hear from the Treasury Department every three months or so. But one bond is still in limbo! It didn't help that the young men are from a country where one carries both parents' family names, yet one bond had been issued with one name wrong. I think the son who was a student in Canada made a trip into the USA and finally got his bond cashed. The wrong-name giftee may never be able to cash his.

  15. reflectionite Says:
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    as long as its actually for your children i dont see why the bank staff should be forming their judgements on you. realy you're more responsible than any parent who is NOT changing their bonds into cash for a high earning account. you actualy care about getting more for your children so i think that is the most important thing, and you will just have to let other people suffer in ignorance if they dont understand! it sounds ike everyone here understands though!

  16. kashi Says:
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    I agree, write a letter to the bank manager. You shouldn't be hassled like that. People cash their kid's bonds for far worse reasons. If you have more of their bonds to cash, I can give you the exact wording to write on them. If you don't want to deal with the bank, you can also mail them in to your Treasury Retail Securities Site for redemption. I can give you that info, too, if you want.

  17. everydayfinance Says:
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    Thank you all for the confirmation of my sanity and advice. Fortunately, I was able to get a fair amount of the outstanding bonds into cash and now have them in more agressive/higher potential vanguard funds in the ESA for the kids. Will certainly update on trials and tribulations during next attempt following the next round of birthdays/holidays when more bonds will inevitably roll in (not to say we're not grateful!, just want to invest in the best risk-adjusted manner for this long time horizon).
    Dan at everydayfinance.

  18. Scott Says:
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    Although it is not too nice to cash them in you have to do what you have to do and that does not mean your a bad parent. As long as you didnt spend the money on something that would not help the family

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  19. David Says:
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    Very funny to come in and read these comments several months later. With interest rates slashed in half and the market down more then 10% since this post, you couldn't have picked a worse time to do this. Plus by cashing out early you are paying tax on the interest you wouldn't if you were using them to pay for tuition.

  20. Nic Says:
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    Wrong David....look at the dates. They were cashed LAST SUMMER when the rates were better. I had some bonds that I cashed and it went into my mny mkt fund which was @5% in July. Better than the 3% from Uncle Sam.

  21. everydayfinance Says:
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    David,
    It's also funny to read your comments that are somewhat shortsighted and opportunistic. I could very well have come in today and posted what a genius I am for being in the market because the major US indices were up over 3% in a single day...about what these bonds earn in an entire year! I don't though because the market is volatile and it would be disingenuous to only highlight the brief wins and ignore the losses vice versa. The point is, nobody can time the market exactly, but the likelihood of stocks beating bonds over any long time horizon is virtually assured. Why would you go against the most appropriate allocation by virtually all measures?

    No financial professional (Disclosure: I am not one) in their right mind would endorse a government bond for a 15-17 year time horizon. So, I'd just say, in 7 years when the investment has doubled and the return on the bonds would be half that, I'll still sleep well at night knowing I gave my kids the best risk-adjusted returns for their education.

  22. brandon coffman Says:
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    your a terible parent

  23. rebecca Says:
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    the main real issue with a parent cashing in a savings bond is that many parents steal their childrens savings bonds. it is shocking to me in this day and age parents can still steal money from saving bonds and accounts and other assets because their children are minors.

  24. gilbert Says:
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    yeah your A fuckin crook for cashing bonds that arent yours. if you think its fair "click-click" invite me over so i can jack you for your possessions you pieces of shit.

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